Comments on: Plasma UI Compiler http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/ Free Software Developer and Evangelist Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:54:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: admin http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3391 admin Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:37:53 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3391 <div class="ivan"> <b>@kwpolska</b> I think it is in KDE4 extragear package of openSUSE.<br/ ><br /><b>But is is not yet ready to be used (especially the version that could be in that package).</b><br/ ><br />As far as the packages are concerned, I'm not sure that I'll be making them at all. They should be provided by the distribution (since Lancelot IS a part of KDE). </div> @kwpolska
I think it is in KDE4 extragear package of openSUSE.

But is is not yet ready to be used (especially the version that could be in that package).

As far as the packages are concerned, I’m not sure that I’ll be making them at all. They should be provided by the distribution (since Lancelot IS a part of KDE). ]]> By: kwpolska http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3390 kwpolska Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:28:13 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3390 Do you can publish a Lancelot RPM package for openSuSE? Do you can publish a Lancelot RPM package for openSuSE?

]]> By: Danny Allen http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3130 Danny Allen Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:15:22 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3130 You should call it "Puck" ;) Also, you should write an update (including screenshots!) for the Commit-Digest ;) Danny You should call it “Puck” ;)

Also, you should write an update (including screenshots!) for the Commit-Digest ;)

Danny

]]> By: admin http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3121 admin Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:08:34 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3121 <div class="ivan"> <b>@Thomas</b> Well, since there is no Widgets on QGV yet (in the stable version of Qt anyway), I can not answer this with certainty. <br /><br /> I suppose it will be available in one or another way, but I don't think that QWidgets will completely replace Plasma's widgets for one reason - they just don't fit in. Just look at the calendar that pops out when you click the clock widget. <br /><br /> It is another thing to have a QLineEdit on QGV, but having whole dialogs, panels etc. is (IMHO) plain ugly. <br /><br /> If future proves me wrong, Plasma UI compiler will remain only a tool for Lancelot... since it is not based on QWidgets. </div> @Thomas
Well, since there is no Widgets on QGV yet (in the stable version of Qt anyway), I can not answer this with certainty.

I suppose it will be available in one or another way, but I don’t think that QWidgets will completely replace Plasma’s widgets for one reason - they just don’t fit in. Just look at the calendar that pops out when you click the clock widget.

It is another thing to have a QLineEdit on QGV, but having whole dialogs, panels etc. is (IMHO) plain ugly.

If future proves me wrong, Plasma UI compiler will remain only a tool for Lancelot… since it is not based on QWidgets.

]]> By: Thomas Zander http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3120 Thomas Zander Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:51:40 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3120 I may be completely mistaken here; but I was totally assuming that Qt designer and normal dialogs/widgets would be good enough for Plasma, as soon as it depends on WoC (Widgets on Canvas (aka graphicsview)). Did I miss something? I may be completely mistaken here; but I was totally assuming that Qt designer and normal dialogs/widgets would be good enough for Plasma, as soon as it depends on WoC (Widgets on Canvas (aka graphicsview)).

Did I miss something?

]]> By: admin http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3115 admin Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:43:07 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3115 <div class="ivan"> <b>@TuringTest</b> The problem with existing UI markup languages is that they are not made for Plasma (obviously) and that they are <b>too general</b>. For example, Plasma has no message dialogs etc. <br /> <br /> The format that is input to PUIC is very close to the Plasma's code to keep the compiler simple. The second aim is to ease the development of the Designer (sometime in future) <br /> <br /> <b>@Benjamin Reed</b> Damn, so I'll have to invent some new crazy name that will be a classic free software joke like Plasma and Oxygen... >:[ </div> @TuringTest
The problem with existing UI markup languages is that they are not made for Plasma (obviously) and that they are too general. For example, Plasma has no message dialogs etc.

The format that is input to PUIC is very close to the Plasma’s code to keep the compiler simple. The second aim is to ease the development of the Designer (sometime in future)

@Benjamin Reed
Damn, so I’ll have to invent some new crazy name that will be a classic free software joke like Plasma and Oxygen… >:[ ]]> By: Benjamin Reed http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3114 Benjamin Reed Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:40:54 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3114 You do know that "puic" already has a Qt/KDE meaning, right? ;) http://perlqt.sourceforge.net/dist/current/doc/en/index.html#rad_prototyping_with_qt_designer_and_puic You do know that “puic” already has a Qt/KDE meaning, right? ;)

http://perlqt.sourceforge.net/dist/current/doc/en/index.html#rad_prototyping_with_qt_designer_and_puic

]]> By: TuringTest http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3113 TuringTest Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:09:10 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3113 Out of curiosity, what kind of XML definition will you use? Is there in KDE a standard XML-based GUI specification language? Otherwise, instead of creating an ad-hoc language for this, you may consider using an already defined language, like the standard UIML (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIML) or one of the available open-source projects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language) Out of curiosity, what kind of XML definition will you use? Is there in KDE a standard XML-based GUI specification language?

Otherwise, instead of creating an ad-hoc language for this, you may consider using an already defined language, like the standard UIML (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIML) or one of the available open-source projects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language)

]]> By: admin http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3110 admin Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:31:21 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3110 <div class="ivan"> <b>@Carsten</b> For the time being. But it shouldn't be hard to make a designer later on. </div> @Carsten
For the time being. But it shouldn’t be hard to make a designer later on. ]]> By: Carsten Niehaus http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3109 Carsten Niehaus Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:27:31 +0000 http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/02/12/plasma-ui-compiler/#comment-3109 Perhaps this is obvious, I just want to be sure: The XML has to be written by hand? Perhaps this is obvious, I just want to be sure: The XML has to be written by hand?

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