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	<title>Ivan Čukić &#187; Rant</title>
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		<title>Journalism and KDE</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2010/12/08/journalism-and-kde/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2010/12/08/journalism-and-kde/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#60;rant&#62; So, the Calligra announcement raised some eyebrows, and made big waves all across the world. I guess you&#8217;ve seen a lot of articles lately that say things equivalent to &#8220;no more pasta with cheese and garlic, end of KDE?&#8221;. I guess it is /that/ time of the year again. When people have nothing to [...]]]></description>
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<p>So, the <a href="http://tinyurl.com/394grwg">Calligra announcement</a> raised some eyebrows, and made big waves all across the world.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ve seen a lot of articles lately that say things equivalent to &#8220;no more pasta with cheese and garlic, end of KDE?&#8221;. I guess it is /that/ time of the year again. When people have nothing to write about, they need to invent or /beautify/ the news.</p>
<p>And that, my children, that is called &#8220;journalism&#8221;.</p>
<p>The thing that always fascinated me is that people <strong>really</strong> like reading these things. You can&#8217;t imagine how many page hits I got when I posted a spoof of OS market share statistics with <a href="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/05/13/linux-and-firefox-market-share/">this post &#8211; &#8220;Linux and Firefox market share &#8211; the reality&#8221;</a> (well, unfortunately, neither can I because my WP stats got wiped in the meantime, but it was rather big <img src='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/kopete/smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )
<p>The conclusion: Orwell&#8217;s 1984 is not about communism and monitoring people&#8230;</p>
<p>&lt;/rant&gt;</p>
<p>p.s. I intentionally left out the links to the posts I&#8217;m referring to here, as they really don&#8217;t need any more publicity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>&#8216;I develop for myself&#8217;, trolls, criticism</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/12/13/i-develop-for-myself-trolls-criticism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/12/13/i-develop-for-myself-trolls-criticism/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I read the Drive-by Mockups post by Nikolaj Hald Nielsen which is about the new amarok mockups that can be found at kde-look. So, I found out that some people consider the [Amarok] developers to be &#8220;quite strange&#8221; and stubborn. One of the reasons for justifying the claim was that the sentence Nikolaj wrote [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I read the <a href="http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/852-Drive-by-Mockups.html">Drive-by Mockups post by Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</a> which is about the new amarok mockups that can be found at <a href="http://www.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">kde</a>-look. So, I found out that some people consider the [Amarok] developers to be &#8220;quite strange&#8221; and stubborn.</p>
<p>One of the reasons for justifying the claim was that the sentence Nikolaj wrote &#8220;The truth is that we are aiming squarely at ourselves, as we are some of the biggest music fans out there&#8230;&#8221; was found to be &#8220;extremely arrogant&#8221; by one of the visitors.</p>
<p>It reminded me of when I said something similar on my blog &#8211; that I develop <a href="http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Lancelot</a> for myself. And I am aware that this type of comment sounds strange, and a bit arrogant, but it is not. So, I&#8217;m passing what I wrote as a reply on Nikolaj&#8217;s blog here:</p>
<p><em><br />
I&#8217;m sorry if I was the one who started the &#8216;I develop for myself&#8217; wave of responses (some time ago concerning Lancelot) but you have to understand the developers to understand what that means.</p>
<p>We do what we do because we like to do it. I don&#8217;t know any free/libre software developer that develops things he/she doesn&#8217;t use (I did for some time [Kamion], and then I got bored and started developing L).</p>
<p>So we are developing for ourselves. And the good thing is that most of the time, what suits us, suits the users as well.</p>
<p>Sometimes you get criticized, and if the user proposes the solution to his discomfort, and you like the solution, you implement it. If the solution is completely opposite and clashes with everything you stand for, you give the polite answer describing why you don&#8217;t want to make that happen.</p>
<p>And, then, there are trolls that are just able to say &#8216;this is ****&#8217;, &#8216;you&#8217;re a bunch of ****&#8217; or something similar.</p>
<p>What would you feel if someone, without specifying any specific reason, starts bashing something you have been dedicated to for a couple of years? You could ignore it. You could ignore it a couple or more times. But, eventually, you will have to snap and vent yourself through a reply.<br />
</em></p>
<p>So, be happy, be polite and with a smile in your heart and on your face, and the world will be a much nicer place to live in. (yes, that&#8217;s an order <img src='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/kopete/smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>KDE is really a Kool Desktop Environment</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/11/10/kde-is-really-a-kool/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/11/10/kde-is-really-a-kool/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to thank every developer person who ever helped KDE. Why just now? Well, first I saw the new list view in KMail which is rather awesome, and makes KMail even better than the former best* mail application &#8211; KMail without the new list view. Beside that, I saw one of the tiny [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to thank every <s>developer</s> person who ever helped <a href="http://www.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">KDE</a>.</p>
<p>Why just now? Well, first I saw the new list view in KMail which is rather awesome, and makes KMail even better than the former best* mail application &#8211; KMail without the new list view.</p>
<p>Beside that, I saw one of the tiny changes in <a href="http://plasma.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Plasma</a> related to the taskbar/icon tooltips. You&#8217;ll know what I&#8217;m talking about by moving your mouse from one icon to another.</p>
<p>Every now and then, KDE gets some, at first glance, totally insignificant feature (like this tooltip effect), but to be honest these little things really make a big difference. And such things really make me say &#8220;Wow, how neat!&#8221;.</p>
<p><b>So, everybody, rock on!</b></p>
<p>* Personal opinion, not a flamebait <img src='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/kopete/smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>I&#8217;ve still got it! [Lancelot]</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/11/05/ive-still-got-it-lancelot/</link>
		<comments>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/11/05/ive-still-got-it-lancelot/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/11/05/ive-still-got-it-lancelot/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#8217;ve heard it right, I&#8217;ve still got it! I still got the KDE mug we received (amongst other things) last year at aKademy! It is amazing, you can pour boiling tea in it and hold it with your whole hand without being burnt. Really amazing technology. And it is pretty, and has a nice logo [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mug.jpg"><img src="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mug.jpg" alt="" title="KDE Mug" width="271" height="260" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-213" /></a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve heard it right, <b>I&#8217;ve still got it!</b> I still got the <a href="http://www.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">KDE</a> mug we received (amongst other things) last year at aKademy! It is amazing, you can pour boiling tea in it and hold it with your whole hand without being burnt. Really amazing technology. And it is pretty, and has a nice logo on it.</p>
<p>Ok, I hear you saying &#8220;You dragged us here to listen just about a mug!?&#8221;. Well, I didn&#8217;t, but nevertheless, it is a really super-awesome mug, and it is an insult that you said &#8220;just a mug&#8221;!</p>
<p>Lately, I haven&#8217;t had much time that I could spend on <a href="http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Lancelot</a> due to some other projects and the fact that I was to see Brian May (PhD) and Roger Taylor live here in Belgrade. But, than again, that&#8217;s a completely different story.</p>
<p><b>Keyboard support</b></p>
<p>The only thing from the (unwritten) Lancelot 2.0 roadmap that will be finished on time for 4.2 is the new ActionListView. You may recall <a href="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/09/24/scrollbars/">mentioning the ActionListView2 in relation to the scrollbars</a> that replaced the dreaded scroll buttons. Apart from the new scrolling mechanism, something else was weaved into the structure of the new lists. Ability to use them with the keyboard. So, that part is mostly finished in the current SVN version. The only thing left is to scroll the list to always show the selected item which will be trivial to do.</p>
<p>After that, the only thing left is to implement some fancy focus switching in the menu itself &#8211; for example, when you are in the search bar, and press the down arrow, to switch the focus to the first list etc. I hope I&#8217;ll be able to finish this in the week to come, so that after that I could focus only on bug fixing and stability (not that I&#8217;ve introduced a larger instability factor than the old ActionListVew was, but some bugs are to be expected).</p>
<p>Well, that is all for now&#8230; see you soon.</p>
<p><b>Addition: Junior Jobs</b></p>
<p>* Since I have received a few requests to sort the application list by name or description, and I haven&#8217;t got the time to do it now (it is a low priority task from my POV), if there is anyone willing to do that, you are more than welcome. Developing data models for L is as easy as it can be.</p>
<p>* The same goes for the thunderbird/evolution/whatever, pidgin/whatever support. If you know how to get online contacts or unread mails from the specified programs, feel free to use your knowledge and make a bridge between your favourite e-mail or IM program and Lancelot.</p>
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		<title>KDE 3 (yes, three) is the new Gnome?</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/10/08/kde-3-yes-three-is-the-new-gnome/</link>
		<comments>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/10/08/kde-3-yes-three-is-the-new-gnome/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/10/08/kde-3-yes-three-is-the-new-gnome/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is only a rant with a highly provocative title, which reflects onto the contents of the post, but not in the way you have expected when you first read it. So stop yelling your comrades to start to &#8220;sharpen the forks&#8221;. So, what is this all about? Well, for a long time now, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is only a rant with a highly provocative title, which reflects onto the contents of the post, but not in the way you have expected when you first read it.</p>
<p><b>So stop yelling your comrades to start to &#8220;sharpen the forks&#8221;. </b> <img src='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/kopete/teeth.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, what is this all about?</p>
<p>Well, for a long time now, I keep my system mostly clean of Gnome/GTK programs. Only a few remain (and probably will for both foreseeable and unforeseeable future), and those are GVim, Gimp (big kudos for the last version goes to the developers), Inkscape and Synaptic. Apart from those, whenever I need a program for something, I first search for <a href="http://www.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">KDE</a> or Qt based applications, and only if those are non-existent, I consider installing something else.</p>
<p>So, what the hell is this title all about?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about the fact that I have realized that now I&#8217;m avoiding KDE/Qt 3 programs as well. For example, I have lived without Digikam and K3B until the KDE 4 ports started to become usable. I still use Akregator from the &#8220;three&#8221; series, but that is due to the fact that new Akregator crashes a lot for me and I am too busy to investigate why.</p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>If you are asking why I&#8217;m not writing something useful, that is mostly because I have had no time lately to do anything useful to write about. You can see that <a href="http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Lancelot</a> commits were silent for the past 10 days, but I plan to change that very soon&#8230; See you later!</p>
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		<title>RIP Richard Wright</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/09/18/rip-richard-wright/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/09/18/rip-richard-wright/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Wright, the self-taught keyboardist and founding member of Pink Floyd is no more There is so much that could be said, but then, he was a musician, so here is &#8230; the music: Here are the links to see the famous (possibly intentional) synchronicity of the Echoes to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Part 1 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 460px"><img alt="Richard Wright" src="http://www.davidgilmour.com/RichardWright.jpg" title="Richard Wright" width="450" height="314" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Richard Wright</p></div>Richard Wright, the self-taught keyboardist and founding member of Pink Floyd is no more <img src='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/kopete/sad.png' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is so much that could be said, but then, he was a musician, so here is &#8230; the music:</p>
<p>Here are the links to see the famous (possibly intentional) synchronicity of the Echoes to 2001: A Space Odyssey.</p>
<p>Part 1 : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOfVG4e8ek">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOfVG4e8ek</a><br />
Part 2 : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhgkg2V3Jk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhgkg2V3Jk</a><br />
Part 3 : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJP7iqRZeXU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJP7iqRZeXU</a></p>
<p>p.s. Sorry for the youtube links but&#8230; you know&#8230; where else would I find this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>CMake 2.6 required, and life</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/08/01/cmake-26-required-and-life/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/08/01/cmake-26-required-and-life/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I&#8217;ve almost missed the BIG BIG BIG message saying &#8220;From August 4th CMake >= 2.6.0 will be required, please update your CMake&#8221; (I&#8217;ve set up scripted compiling in background, so it&#8217;s not that strange I did not see it) I thought that there could be someone else who could miss it. So, upgrade your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve almost missed the BIG BIG BIG message saying &#8220;From August 4th CMake >= 2.6.0 will be required, please update your CMake&#8221; (I&#8217;ve set up scripted compiling in background, so it&#8217;s not that strange I did not see it) I thought that there could be someone else who could miss it. <b>So, upgrade your CMake!</b> (for Debian users: CMake 2.6 is present in unstable)</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;ve switched to use the 4.1 branch for all modules. Obviously, I&#8217;ve set a trunk setup as well, but this time only <a href="http://plasma.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Plasma</a> is from the trunk. For the next few months, <a href="http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Lancelot</a> will be developed for both 4.1 and trunk (The separation was needed since there already is an API breakage).</p>
<p><b>Move along, nothing (more) to see here</b></p>
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		<title>Happy new mailing lists!</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/07/22/happy-new-mailing-lists/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/07/22/happy-new-mailing-lists/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, this mail was sent today by Aaron on the panel-devel list: hi all... as you may or may not have noticed by now, we have some new mailing lists! plasma-devel@ replaces panel-devel@. bugs now go to plasma-bugs@. to subscribe to the bugs list, go to: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-bugs enjoy! =)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, this mail was sent today by Aaron on the panel-devel list:</p>
<div style="padding: 16px; border: 1px solid silver"><tt><br />
hi all...</p>
<p>as you may or may not have noticed by now, we have some new mailing lists!</p>
<p><a href="http://plasma.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">plasma</a>-devel@ replaces panel-devel@.</p>
<p>bugs now go to plasma-bugs@. to subscribe to the bugs list, go to:</p>
<p>https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-bugs</p>
<p>enjoy! =)</tt></div></p>
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		<title>Response to &#8220;Lancelot, KDE and Gnome&#8221; (showed in Aaron-colour :) )</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/07/04/response-to-lancelot-kde-and-gnome-showed-in-aaron-colour/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/07/04/response-to-lancelot-kde-and-gnome-showed-in-aaron-colour/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is one of the Aaron-style &#8220;explain to the unbelievers why they are wrong&#8221;. This is in response to http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=19 (or you can see the translated version) Disclaimer: I have nothing against Gnome, I am mentioning it since it was used as a comparison in the original post. Well, as all trolls on the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is one of the Aaron-style &#8220;explain to the unbelievers why they are wrong&#8221;. This is in response to http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=19 (or you can see the <a href="http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.kov.eti.br%2F%3Fp%3D19&#038;langpair=pt|en&#038;hl=en&#038;ie=UTF8">translated version</a>)</p>
<p><strong>Disclaimer: </strong>I have nothing against Gnome, I am mentioning it since it was used as a comparison in the original post.</p>
<p>Well, as all trolls on the internet, you have a couple of things obviously not clear to you.</p>
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<li><strong>Delusion 1. <a href="http://www.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">KDE</a> is vapourware because <a href="http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Lancelot</a> is not finished</strong>
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First of all, Lancelot is project in the late phase of development (like amarok2) &#8211; usable but not finished. See the definition of vapourware if you don’t see where you are mistaken.
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And, not to mention, that Lancelot was not intended to be a part of KDE’s base packages. It’s like saying that Gnome is vapourware because Gimmie is not finished.
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<li><strong>Delusion 2. KDE is copying Windows (again, example is Lancelot)</strong>
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Well, as I see it, you either haven’t used the Windows’ menu, or you haven’t used Lancelot (I bet on the later). Apart from being a /menu/, what are the similarities? Comparing Lancelot to Kickoff or Gimmie (for Gnome) would be more accurate… although still incorrect.
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Besides Lancelot’s “copying” Windows what arguments do you have that other parts of KDE’s desktop are copying it?
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<li><strong>Delusion 3. KDE stopped focussing on the desktop, and went to develop frameworks</strong>
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Developing a complete desktop environment (with a lot more high quality applications than Gnome has for instance) have to begin with building a solid set of frameworks so that later development of actual applications would be easier, and that applications reach new levels of integration. (compare the so called Gnome Office with KOffice)
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<p>KDE 4.0 had most of the frameworks finished, and 4.1 is being built on that. If you are saying that KDE is still ignoring the desktop after the improvements in <a href="http://plasma.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Plasma</a> that will be in 4.1, than you’re either blind or just don’t want to see.
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<p><strong>Conclusion: </strong>I was hoping that Aaron will be the only one that has to deal with persons like you, but, apparently (and unfortunately), I was not right.</p>
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		<title>Happy holidays!</title>
		<link>http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2007/12/21/happy-holidays/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><span property="dc:creator" resource="http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2007/12/21/happy-holidays/">Ivan Čukić</span></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I presume that Planet KDE will soon get overcrowded with holiday greetings, so I&#8217;ve decided to post mine a bit earlier. The main reason is that this way I&#8217;ll get more attention :). I wish you all great time with the incoming release of KDE. I also wish that in the first half of 2oo8 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume that Planet <a href="http://www.kde.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">KDE</a> will soon get overcrowded with holiday greetings, so I&#8217;ve decided to post mine a bit earlier. The main reason is that this way I&#8217;ll get more attention :).</p>
<p>I wish you all great time with the incoming release of KDE. I also wish that in the first half of 2oo8 KDE 4 receives finished Kickoff replacements (Raptor, <a href="http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/" class="kblinker" target="_blank">Lancelot</a> and TastyMenu) and to become stable enough for everyone to use it.</p>
<p><a href='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ny2008_eng.png' title='Happy 2008'><img src='http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ny2008_eng.png' alt='Happy 2008' width="100%" /></a></p>
<p>To Gnome users: I wish you also great time with KDE 4.0.</p>
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